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what's up everybody

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happy wednesday early evening late

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whatever's clever it's up to you

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i got the light kind of bright today you

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can see this little white straggler

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right here it's a little white here in

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but it's okay because it matches my

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earbuds and my shirt

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without further ado you know it's kind

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of weird when you say jokes like that

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you know but

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you don't hear like laughter

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so you have to imagine it then you feel

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kind of crazy so that's when you bring

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the person that helps you out with that

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weirdness and that is mr j christopher

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that's right

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he's got two thumbs and can be the laugh

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track for for

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[Laughter]

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it's right here yeah thanks for joining

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me today is it hot over by you i feel

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like it's not everywhere it's crazy hot

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it's yeah it turns out the whole earth

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is getting hotter that's what i hear

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anyway i know it's controversial

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position amongst some in our community

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uh but um in fact i think it's 96

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basically through the weekend um which

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uh area and so people are just basically

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frying like bacon on the sidewalks i i

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a little brutal but uh yeah how's it out

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there in milwaukee it's hot it's out

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here too um it seems like it was

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starting to cool off a little bit today

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because we got some cloud coverage um

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later this tomorrow everything

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too hot humid it's like well

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i know it's really humid and hot when i

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get out of the car and right away my

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glasses fog up

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because yeah that's like the temperature

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difference is that massive

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from like putting the air the ac on in

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i hate it but i gotta say it could be

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worse because uh it sounds like you have

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uh other people uh

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have it word sorry i had a little little

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tiny spider climbing on the camera oh

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nice oh cute little spider um yeah well

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it's you know it's not a competition we

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don't we don't have to like

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lines somewhere right around there uh so

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what's going on i was gonna say like

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familiar faces over in the chat today

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like anne tyler and robert cowford

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yeah yeah andres a bunch of folks up

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here i see and tyler wants to see

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my uh experiencer group shirt so there

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that's a uh that's a prototype

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got a new member here christian awesome

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oh christian hachey yeah she's uh she's

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that guy i know freaking literally here

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thanks everyone for for

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joining us for this for another

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wonderful wednesday here so we had this

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um last week right uh and we talked

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uh language that was used for the ndaa

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uap language and such and i thought it

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what i'm putting up because boy that

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uber embarrassing right but basically it

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page so if you're on twitter follow dean

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johnson because he's got a great lowdown

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on all this congressional action so

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united space industry right so a lot

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you want to think like a lockheed martin

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laboratories like um

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like a laboratory there and and hide it

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do it bro sure so it says for the period

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general completes activities under the

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subsection compile and itemize a

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complete historical record of the

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within politics within capitol hill to

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anonymous sources at the dod i'm like

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shoulder as if christopher sharp or the

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past is like right here and in fact it's

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not but you get what i'm talking about

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obvious reasons they're talking about

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the possibility of crash retrievals or

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retrieve technology and they're trying

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that's for a very specific reason which

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that the uh atomic energy

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commission might have something to do

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stuff manhattan etc was all uh

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so well let's let's and let's also pray

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to god it wasn't december 31st 1946

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[Laughter]

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maybe it is

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you got somebody in there up to no good

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messing around

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just kind of well

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you know

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yeah january 1st is good yeah yeah

297
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that's good good enough it's good enough

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this very interesting note um

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at the

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bottom

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of that which is pretty interesting

302
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shining a historical light on uaps is

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here the ic delivered on a promise told

304
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the first public hearing on uap in more

305
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than half a century the hearing included

306
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newly declassified information about

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uaps including never before seen video

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footage

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and data

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from subject matter experts in order to

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support the work to unravel uap mystery

312
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so

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2023 iaa directs the gao

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uh to study historical classified

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information that made further the

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broader ic effort to understand and

317
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explain uaps including the implications

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they may have for our national security

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so

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gao general accounting office one thing

321
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they did that was uh pretty big

322
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um

323
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with ufos before where they were

324
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actually tasked to look into the

325
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uh roswell situation and to try and find

326
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any other documents that might exist

327
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on that um

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and they only found one

329
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which was a fbi document so

330
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you know if you think there's a cover-up

331
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um i don't know how you'd feel about

332
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that right but uh hopefully they they uh

333
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you know do what they're supposed to i

334
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don't know why they don't just ask me to

335
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do it because you know i already this

336
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stuff is already my freaking head man

337
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you know just talk to me for an hour or

338
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two i'll tell you

339
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[Laughter]

340
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so uh roswell asked what the or nigel

341
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roswell asks what nigel situation nigel

342
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that's what roswell's situation uh this

343
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was uh years ago

344
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a while ago general accounting office

345
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gao put together a report on roswell in

346
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an effort to try and

347
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dig up any documents that might exist

348
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about the roswell ufo thing so

349
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but that being said there's also some

350
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breaking news that came out

351
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literally

352
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uh right before we were about to start

353
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this stream

354
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luckily jay

355
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is always looking for the latest

356
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greatest uap news

357
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and it comes straight from the dod

358
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website here

359
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which is a name change

360
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so aoi

361
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well

362
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i think it's probably a name change but

363
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the aoi msg and i can just uh read this

364
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here but dod announces the establishment

365
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of the all domain anomaly

366
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resolution office or aero

367
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let's just go ahead and call it arrow

368
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right they're going to call it arrow

369
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they won't call it ro right that sounds

370
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like ikea swedish furniture or something

371
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like that well all domain could be

372
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at a row

373
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i'm going to go with

374
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arrow sweet

375
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all right cool

376
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,240
arrow we're coining it right here it's

377
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called arrow it's called arrow dang it

378
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all right so

379
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um

380
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so on july 15th uh as you let's all read

381
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it together uh deputy secretary of

382
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defense kathleen hicks in coordination

383
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with the director of national

384
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intelligence dni amended her original

385
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direction to the under secretary of

386
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defense for intelligence and security

387
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we're going to come back to that by the

388
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way because this is important by

389
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renaming and expanding the scope of the

390
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airborne object identification and

391
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management group aimsog they called it

392
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to the all domain anomaly resolution

393
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office or hero we'll say due to the

394
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enactment of the national defense

395
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authorization act for fiscal 2022 which

396
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included a provision to establish an

397
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office in coordination with dni with

398
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responsibilities that were broader than

399
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those originally assigned to the aim

400
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song

401
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today oh

402
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our today usd ins

403
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uh honorable ronald moultrie who by the

404
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way

405
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participated in the subcommittee

406
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intelligence uh house hearing um that we

407
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,519
live casted back in may uh with a bunch

408
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:15,839
of our friends and was that kind of big

409
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first uh historical uap hearing uh for

410
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congress so ron moultrie informed the

411
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department of the establishment of arrow

412
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within the office of the undersecretary

413
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of defense for intelligence and security

414
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and named dr sean m

415
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kirkpatrick most recently the chief

416
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scientist at the defense intelligence

417
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,199
agency's missile and space intelligence

418
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center as the director of arrow the

419
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mission of the the arrow okay it's the

420
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arrow now will be to synchronize efforts

421
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across the dod and with other us federal

422
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departments and agencies to detect

423
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identify and attribute objects of

424
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interest in on or near military

425
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installations operating areas training

426
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areas special use airspace and other

427
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areas of interest and as necessary

428
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to mitigate any associated threats to

429
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safety of operations and national

430
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security this includes anomalous

431
00:17:17,189 --> 00:17:14,640
unidentified space airborne submerged

432
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and trans-medium objects

433
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okay the arrow executive council

434
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arrow exec

435
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led by undersecretary of defense for

436
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intelligence and security ron moultrie

437
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will provide oversight and direction to

438
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the arrow along these primary lines of

439
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effort one surveillance collection and

440
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,039
reporting two system capabilities in

441
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design three intelligence operations and

442
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analysis four mitigation and defeat

443
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five governance six science and

444
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technology

445
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:46,640
and then we've got a couple links to

446
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:50,160
memos including and uh dr kirkpatrick's

447
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:51,200
bio

448
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:52,240
right

449
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,760
do you want to read those or look at

450
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,039
those at home

451
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,080
yeah we could let's see um i didn't get

452
00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:01,760
any

453
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,840
code over there yeah it looks like the

454
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,160
same thing so um

455
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:07,679
so what do you think about this i mean

456
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,480
it kind of feeds really well into

457
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:12,960
in a lot of ways into

458
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:15,600
the article that chris sharp wrote last

459
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,559
friday um which is basically

460
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,240
you know highlighting something that we

461
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:22,400
touched on briefly in the episode last

462
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:23,280
week

463
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:27,440
which is that you know the o o u s or

464
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the usdi and s office

465
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:33,679
that is establishing this aero office

466
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:36,720
is the same it's the same people

467
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:39,120
that louis elizondo quit and a half

468
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:40,320
years ago

469
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:42,960
you know and they're just they they keep

470
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:45,360
reestablishing names and keep changing

471
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:47,840
around the names but essentially

472
00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:51,919
um we're dealing with the same office

473
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:54,840
um that has been

474
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:58,559
um charged basically with obfuscation

475
00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,280
this whole entire time and his timing

476
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,440
tons of efforts um

477
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:05,840
at clarity what do you think sean

478
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:08,960
well i think uh a lot

479
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,000
is is tbd right i think

480
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:13,919
it's clear to me

481
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:17,919
that uh congress is is not going away

482
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,480
the senate not going away language is

483
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,880
getting stricter and tougher and then

484
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:24,880
all of a sudden we have a name change

485
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:27,919
right that would all do you know

486
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,799
i mean to to be honest uh moultrie uh

487
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,880
touched on that in in the hearings that

488
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,039
they may change the name i believe

489
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:37,520
um but it's just an interesting

490
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,360
progression right and and how uh close

491
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,240
these events are to each other right

492
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,000
but it's almost like they're like okay

493
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,559
just relax we'll rename it you know just

494
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,880
can you slow down for a second all right

495
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:53,520
it's arrow jesus leave me alone

496
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,480
all right

497
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:56,640
you know because

498
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,200
think about it congress puts in this uh

499
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,120
language right about trans medium

500
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,240
aerospace phenomena right so what good

501
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,360
is an airborne object identification

502
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:09,760
whatever it gonna do

503
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,159
when it's obviously not gonna tackle um

504
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:16,159
you know what the language asks them to

505
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,440
tackle

506
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,159
right because oh we otherwise it's like

507
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,720
uh oh you just deal with airborne stuff

508
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:24,960
we're asking to look at transmedium and

509
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,840
aerospace stuff you know they have to

510
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:29,520
change the name so they almost like

511
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,200
force their hand there if you want to

512
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,159
keep doing this with your little ragtag

513
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,240
of people over in that dusty office over

514
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,400
there change the name at least make it

515
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,480
respectable

516
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,240
you know have it represent what you're

517
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:44,240
supposed to do at least which you know

518
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,520
it's something

519
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,159
so but what they actually do is is to be

520
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:49,760
determined i mean these are the very

521
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,919
people uh moultrie bray you know that um

522
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,760
completely didn't do anything they did

523
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,440
jack crap

524
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,320
you know for for a long time and

525
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,000
as far as we know the only thing they

526
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,080
have done so far has changed the name

527
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,280
and that wasn't even them that was

528
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:07,440
kathleen hicks you know

529
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,000
that's right and since the establishment

530
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,400
of of amesog anyway it seemed like the

531
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,640
uap task force was kind of getting

532
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,480
somewhere and so they we can move over

533
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,360
to amsog we us we'd get

534
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:21,120
you know situated

535
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:22,080
in

536
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:27,840
with gary reed who was the guy that

537
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:30,720
that ticked off louis alzondo enough to

538
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:33,520
leave and then you know uh had a big

539
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,320
expose earlier this year and got fired

540
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:39,280
or reassigned in a big sexual harassment

541
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:40,480
situation

542
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,440
um

543
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,480
and you know it was infinite this yeah

544
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,280
i'm glad they aren't going to

545
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,600
discriminate against trans media

546
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:50,000
i couldn't help but i left yeah

547
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,200
thanks robert

548
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,029
no no we'll look at you

549
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,400
no yeah

550
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,320
no it's and it's also true though it's

551
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,679
like you know there's there's such a

552
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,679
binary when and we've complained about

553
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:05,280
this before where it's like okay if it's

554
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,799
up in the air we'll pay attention to it

555
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,799
okay if it's if it's under the water

556
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,640
we'll pay attention to it well you know

557
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,799
there's more than a binary associated

558
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,320
with this and so

559
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,720
the whole idea of making a trans trans

560
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,799
medium joke by robert cofort is actually

561
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:20,080
extraordinarily appropriate in this

562
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,120
situation

563
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,120
but um you know there's not there's not

564
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:24,320
only two

565
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,400
two types in in of of uh anomalous

566
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,039
uh craft or or object hood

567
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,000
so anyway um so yeah i completely agree

568
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,400
yeah right and so we've got so you know

569
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,960
there's gary reed and basically we've

570
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,480
had this situation and we've been

571
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,880
crossing our fingers for months now that

572
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:45,760
you know that you know melon elizondo

573
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,960
and others and tim burchette and all of

574
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,480
these other folks that are that are

575
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,799
working around capitol hill behind the

576
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,799
scenes and from in front of the cameras

577
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,200
um to kind of funnel efforts for

578
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,640
transparency

579
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,559
you know there's still this issue where

580
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,320
they're still funneling it through an

581
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,039
office that also handles disinformation

582
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:06,159
campaigns

583
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:07,200
right

584
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,640
and so you know we keep waiting

585
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,919
we keep hoping anticipating that there's

586
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,679
some greater chess move that's going to

587
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,080
happen that is going to flip the ball

588
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,280
over to another side of the court right

589
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,880
and and

590
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,559
and should we

591
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,320
you know i think it's an it's a great

592
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,280
time to ask you know like okay when is

593
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:30,799
what are we doing here

594
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,120
yeah when is when is the pawn gonna get

595
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,640
flipped out for the queen do you know

596
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,320
what i mean like when is that actually

597
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,679
gonna happen and do we really trust

598
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:41,840
you know the pr and disinformation

599
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,320
office of the pentagon

600
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,240
you know who by the way

601
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,120
okay like you know if we think that like

602
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,600
pitching them as bad guys is going to

603
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,240
like make this problem go away like

604
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,400
that's what their job is

605
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,640
that's this job that they signed up for

606
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,880
it was is to essentially like be the

607
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,880
tough guy right yeah

608
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,200
you know so like they don't they don't

609
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,760
freaking like i can guarantee you you

610
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,440
know that office doesn't freaking care

611
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,919
if they look bad like that's that's the

612
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,679
job that they signed up for right it's

613
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,360
looking bad yeah

614
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,440
so yeah right like this is the only

615
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,679
instance where they look bad right

616
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,720
yeah right yeah yeah the pentagon yeah

617
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,559
no everybody loves the pentagon you know

618
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,919
everybody in the world loves the

619
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,440
pentagon for sure

620
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,200
well you know

621
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:31,760
although i do agree with you on this the

622
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:33,840
one thing that i can say is that there

623
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,559
is a progression towards um

624
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,520
more albeit uh

625
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:40,480
minimum

626
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,600
tangible uh you know strong language

627
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,320
like at least from the senate um and all

628
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:48,320
this stuff so like if this law passes

629
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,679
but the one thing i would say is they

630
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,200
obviously didn't do anything with the

631
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,440
last passage of the language right

632
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,360
because here we are so who's to say

633
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,799
they're gonna do anything with the next

634
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,360
stuff right and that kind of brings me

635
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:00,400
to

636
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:04,159
uh what we really need right which is

637
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,279
none of these

638
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,799
people going off and saying we're

639
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,480
studying things and and we're going to

640
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,880
take care of it you just trust me i know

641
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,799
the kind of report let you down but not

642
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,440
this time we're gonna do it you know we

643
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,760
need to have open public hearings you

644
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,000
know military witnesses

645
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,880
yes if you know i would even say other

646
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:25,039
uh civilian witnesses that are highly

647
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,480
corroborated

648
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,320
you know um yeah you could even call

649
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,640
them witness citizens if you wanted to

650
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,960
you could call witness citizens if you

651
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,000
want

652
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,080
or witness militaries

653
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,840
which doesn't have as

654
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,400
much of a ring to it but

655
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,480
you can still do that but you know like

656
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,400
that's what we need to do we need to put

657
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,200
this on uh the tv in front of the

658
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:50,240
american people with people like uh ryan

659
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,760
graves robert salas you know in others

660
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,720
um

661
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:57,919
you know if ryan graves like

662
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,960
but you know like i was just

663
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:02,880
you know something that was

664
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:05,440
uh kind of struck me as very accurate

665
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,080
was this little uh interview that jordan

666
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,600
peele did who's coming out with that

667
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,480
movie nope this friday yeah this ufo

668
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,799
movie look looks great right

669
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:17,679
and he was talking about uh how we're

670
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,960
all really just desensitized right like

671
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,480
that's right how

672
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,320
you know for i'm paraphrasing but

673
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,320
decades ago if these navy videos came

674
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,600
out or whatever the world would be

675
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,080
flipped upside down right but here

676
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,520
people just kind of shrug it off and

677
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,200
move on right

678
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,679
yeah and

679
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,240
so what what is it really gonna take to

680
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,799
change anything a world view or a

681
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,400
paradigm shift to get people to

682
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,760
understand that there really is

683
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,600
something going on

684
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,480
and not only believe it but to care

685
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,520
you know

686
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,679
what is it gonna take well

687
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,760
will public hearings do it

688
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,279
you know right

689
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720
yeah will

690
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,640
what would do it would would a really

691
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,320
great video do it i don't even know if

692
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,840
that would do it

693
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,480
you know because people would

694
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,159
there's school shootings there's war

695
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,200
going on there's uap in the in the air

696
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,559
there's people having these crazy

697
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,400
encounters people are struggling

698
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,760
starving

699
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,640
you know and nobody really cares

700
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:18,640
they just look at their phone and try to

701
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,399
come up with something cool to tweet

702
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,640
you know make themselves look

703
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,880
better and feel better about themselves

704
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,880
you know

705
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,960
and it's like

706
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,679
what is the answer anymore

707
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,000
yeah like this havana syndrome stuff i

708
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,919
can't believe that that is not a bigger

709
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:39,679
story

710
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,480
right and i mean there's and it it

711
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,159
should be a bigger story and there's so

712
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,840
many different reasons why it should be

713
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,240
a bigger story i mean as a brief aside

714
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,120
here i think a let's let's put a pin and

715
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:53,520
come back to that question of of what

716
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,799
will really break the dam right because

717
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,000
i think that there are a few great

718
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,279
answers to that question and i think

719
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:01,120
that's a super important question i

720
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,640
think that's maybe one of the most

721
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,000
critically important questions we could

722
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,520
possibly be asking

723
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,279
you know and

724
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,279
i you know i

725
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,960
i mean maybe we should just go for that

726
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,440
you know i think

727
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,640
when

728
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,520
okay we were gonna one thing that we're

729
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:19,520
possibly gonna be talking about today

730
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,399
you know

731
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,600
um

732
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,320
the travis taylor the recent travis

733
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,200
taylor video right you know um uh where

734
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:29,279
he was interviewed by by two guys on a

735
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,399
radio show

736
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,080
their names were like i don't know bubba

737
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,520
and gump or something like that i don't

738
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,799
know i can't remember

739
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,720
bubba was one i'm not i'm not sure that

740
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,039
trump was one but bubba was one yeah

741
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:40,880
yeah i'm kind of playing around for fun

742
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,350
that's what it was yep okay so

743
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,640
so um

744
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,120
you know by the way here i am busting my

745
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,320
ass on this topic right for for for a

746
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:56,480
good amount of time now doing over close

747
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,880
to 400 shows reading thousands of

748
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:00,960
accounts he doesn't go on my show he

749
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,110
i mean

750
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:09,990
that's

751
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,159
you know he's got all those degrees so

752
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,679
you know it's got university in the

753
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,240
title he's got kind of an academic band

754
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,080
and they get a whole lot more views than

755
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,470
i mean i think he's probably going

756
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,919
around and talking to different

757
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,320
audiences right i'm sure that i'm sure

758
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,919
that at some point we'll we'll have our

759
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:32,320
opportunity to speak to dr taylor you

760
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,960
know but like in that one of the key

761
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:37,279
points that i that i was thinking about

762
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,559
and this is getting back to that

763
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,480
question of what could actually what

764
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,039
could actually you know break this open

765
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,520
and make people pay attention

766
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,360
i think that that

767
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,120
you know he was saying like one of the

768
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,440
central things that he's trying to get

769
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:53,200
young students

770
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:56,640
to to understand you know with regard to

771
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,600
skinwalker ranch and with regard to to

772
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,360
other situations with regard to

773
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,840
anomalies uaps and things like this is

774
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,640
that

775
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,480
he says he's been putting it to young

776
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,200
students like this imagine

777
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,279
there's like a star trek

778
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,720
enemy ship

779
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,399
that's cloaked

780
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,799
and it's hanging out you know above the

781
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:18,799
parking lot i like that

782
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,760
and like how how do we figure out how to

783
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,279
detect this stuff

784
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,840
how do we detect that right and he spent

785
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,520
a good time he spent a good amount of

786
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,440
time like kind of like workshopping it

787
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,080
and trying to show how difficult that

788
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,720
problem is right now or how how

789
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,559
difficult it's been

790
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,120
and how and kind of like getting people

791
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,919
up to speed on that and you know one of

792
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,240
the hosts you know to his credit pointed

793
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,039
out that on shows like star trek

794
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,919
even if a craft is cloaked and seemingly

795
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,760
invisible they would still look for

796
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:53,600
patterns of exhaust

797
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:56,240
in some way well you know for the most

798
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,519
part a lot of uap you know uap craft

799
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,840
don't really have an exhaust pattern in

800
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,679
a way that we're used to

801
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,840
and then it was also pointed out there

802
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,519
that oh you know

803
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,440
with radar and things like that you can

804
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,000
often see kind of backscatter or

805
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,840
reflections in a way that you normally

806
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,600
wouldn't well that isn't necessarily

807
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,600
happening here either but anyway what i

808
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,679
was going to say is that you know

809
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,440
hopefully

810
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,320
you know what i'm thinking is you know

811
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,159
i'm assuming that there might be

812
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,840
something within the realm of black

813
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,480
technology you know the black world that

814
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:32,880
where something like this is more

815
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,640
detectable i'm hoping right and then

816
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,720
and then b

817
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,960
when is that going to make it

818
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,799
when is something like that going to

819
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,080
make it

820
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,640
out into the public eye you know because

821
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,240
that that could be

822
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,080
that doesn't have to necessarily be a

823
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,799
military situation that could be like

824
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,720
you know an outside of the box

825
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:57,039
independent guy like a woman in a

826
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,159
basement

827
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,159
you know what i mean that could be like

828
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,640
one venture capitalist situation away

829
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,480
from from happening in an accurate

830
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,640
framework right we've been saying for

831
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:08,799
years that that

832
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,519
you know given the way given all of the

833
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,880
formulas everything we know about

834
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,039
physics and stuff like that we can only

835
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,399
account for five percent of the mass

836
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,640
right um that that's that's happening

837
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:23,440
around us so 95 percent

838
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:24,080
of

839
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,840
universe like we're just not we can't

840
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,279
touch we can't see it we don't know

841
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,200
what's going on there right yeah and

842
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,880
it's like a fish in the water you know

843
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:34,559
it doesn't see the water

844
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,159
exactly and so if we what we need i you

845
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,720
know it seems like we're getting right

846
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,600
up to that edge that that precipice

847
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,919
where we can all look and say like okay

848
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,960
we need to see the rest of that 95 now

849
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,960
and like it reminds me of back in the

850
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,039
day there used to be an old comic books

851
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,399
i used to collect comic books when i was

852
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,840
a kid and in the back they used to have

853
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,159
like all this bogus stuff you know that

854
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,840
you could buy you know like like sea

855
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,600
monkeys and stuff like this right like

856
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,679
stuff that you'd send out for and you

857
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,279
know you'd get some baby shrimp that you

858
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,960
would die in a couple days it's like in

859
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,120
a terrarium

860
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,360
him or whatever and like they also had

861
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,200
they would sell these things called ufo

862
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,200
detectors all right all right and like

863
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,519
and it was it was right and you send off

864
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,519
your 399 or whatever and you get a ufo

865
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,679
detector and what was actually it was

866
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,000
like something that would detect strong

867
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,679
like electromagnetism or something like

868
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:27,840
that which is kind of right on

869
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,519
right yeah it is kind of right on right

870
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:32,399
so

871
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,880
thinking you know if if basically you

872
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:38,960
know these days people look you know

873
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,159
people can buy 500 like infrared cameras

874
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,919
those psionics cameras and stuff like

875
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:44,720
that

876
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,000
of a view and and people often report

877
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,600
seeing like much more trans-medium craft

878
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,919
and anomalies through ir than they do

879
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,679
with the naked eye right

880
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,000
well you know so one thing that i'm

881
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,320
thinking is if if we can't see that rest

882
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,720
of that 95 percent

883
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,640
if we could democratize

884
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,040
infrared to the point where we could all

885
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,960
just walk around with that on our phones

886
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,879
or something like that right

887
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,480
if we were all

888
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,800
yeah if we could all see just like even

889
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,359
just five more percent you know than

890
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,280
than the five percent that we do

891
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,079
maybe that would be enough for people to

892
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,480
you know i i wonder right

893
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,079
i think you're on to something right

894
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,119
because in reality what what we need is

895
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,960
there to be a strength to pull right

896
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,960
like the james wood telescope people who

897
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,399
never think about space are super

898
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,159
excited about that and want to keep

899
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,760
funding stuff like that and looking

900
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,440
farther and farther back because they

901
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,879
know something's there right because

902
00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:44,800
they can see the stars

903
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,879
so if there's something

904
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:49,599
like that for i don't know our dimension

905
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,639
perhaps or another dimension perhaps and

906
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,119
that they can or you know something that

907
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,000
they can't see as is right now with a

908
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:00,000
tool that allows them to see a little

909
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,440
more

910
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,240
maybe that's the string you know that

911
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,240
they can grab on and pull and want to

912
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:08,320
see more and more you know

913
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,520
who knows

914
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,000
i think i think and i think along those

915
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,320
lines you know there are a lot of people

916
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,560
that kind of push back against

917
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,560
um

918
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,160
you know there are people that consider

919
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,240
themselves within our field to be

920
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,760
skeptical

921
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,680
you know somewhere between skeptics and

922
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,160
nuts and bolts people right

923
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:30,240
there there are people that seemingly

924
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,119
come into our field of ufology and the

925
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:34,800
paranormal and anomalous studies in

926
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,400
general specifically so because it's

927
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,640
it's a realm where they don't feel crazy

928
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,960
right it's as if like in the rest of the

929
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,960
world they look at a world around them

930
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,880
and the world is crazy or they look

931
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,240
maybe they look at their families they

932
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,480
look at their jobs and those look crazy

933
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,520
or maybe more maybe they look crazy you

934
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,359
know using the dreaded c word to other

935
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,440
people around them well then they come

936
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,839
into ufology and they're like here

937
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,240
here i am not insane here i don't

938
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,480
believe any of this but i don't believe

939
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:06,000
because i don't believe any of this

940
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,880
right

941
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,720
and and then what do they do they just

942
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,400
they're like a barnacle

943
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,640
on like the side of our field for like

944
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:14,160
the right you know we then we just have

945
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,440
to sit around

946
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,359
and there's a whole wing of our

947
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,960
community that feels like there's this

948
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,960
like no child left behind policy and we

949
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,400
have to just talk at these people all

950
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,400
day i don't believe that personally i

951
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:27,040
don't believe that

952
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,320
that's a good point because you have a

953
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,320
lot of uh debunkers

954
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,000
people who straight up call themselves

955
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,079
debunkers in this community right and

956
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,480
people feel the need to continue to

957
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,640
either if they have shows or podcasts

958
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:40,640
host them on their on their shows and

959
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,640
talk to them and make them feel better

960
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,640
about what they're doing and

961
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,320
you know comment and fight back

962
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,040
constantly about navy videos and it's

963
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:51,839
rotating no it's not rotating yes it is

964
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,760
rotating ufos are real no they're not

965
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,440
you know that's basically what people

966
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,079
are saying it's like uh you know

967
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,400
it's a bigger fish to fry you know as

968
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,160
far as i'm concerned and that comes in

969
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,920
all sorts of different levels that's

970
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:07,920
just one specific uh instance but

971
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:08,960
there's all

972
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,920
uh all sorts of other ways that that

973
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,760
happens you know

974
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:15,839
we don't have to

975
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,119
you don't have to do that as as he said

976
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:21,520
you know you don't have to

977
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,480
um

978
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,560
take everybody's opinion

979
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,079
into account when you're forming your

980
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,240
own opinion basically

981
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,240
exactly and these and a lot of these

982
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:32,240
people they they

983
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,040
like

984
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,480
you know not to name names or whatever

985
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,920
but there's this there's this game

986
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:37,920
that's been played for decades

987
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,640
which is to kind of like turn it into a

988
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,119
semantic debate where we argue about

989
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,200
language or we argue about act you know

990
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,280
it's a was it at roseannosa is it a

991
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,359
frequency or is it a dimension you know

992
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,119
what i mean these kinds of like

993
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,200
considerations for like are we are you

994
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,520
know are they you know what does it mean

995
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,680
to vibrate faster or what does it mean

996
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:59,040
to have a dimension what is the

997
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,040
dimension anyway what's the frequency

998
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,520
yeah and and all you want and like in a

999
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,760
time like this where we know

1000
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,520
that you know we throw out the james

1001
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:09,760
webb telescope you know it's got it it

1002
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,040
has spectroscopy on it specifically so

1003
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,520
that it can it can detect more than just

1004
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,480
is in the visual our visual framework

1005
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,880
right right and and what you want to

1006
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,720
kind of do is grab them grab some of

1007
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,320
these people by the shoulders or grab

1008
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,960
the conversation by the shoulders right

1009
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:29,040
and say like

1010
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,119
whatever word you want to use or words

1011
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,520
you want to use for that 95 that we

1012
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,240
can't detect tell me what that freaking

1013
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:40,960
word is and we can use that word

1014
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,160
we just need to blank we need to find

1015
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,119
that blank all right you know i don't

1016
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,440
care what it is college fred we could

1017
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:51,119
just call it fred for the rest of time

1018
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,400
right i'm down

1019
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,800
right fred oh you're talking about that

1020
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,560
stuff hanging out in fred

1021
00:39:10,069 --> 00:38:58,000
yeah

1022
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,079
fred sometimes it comes out of fred

1023
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,920
sometimes it stays in and everyone's

1024
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,560
asking who the hell is this fred

1025
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,359
i know yeah it blew shifted out of fred

1026
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,800
came right into

1027
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,160
yeah anyway

1028
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:22,800
let's see what i'm talking about here

1029
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:25,920
maybe uh the one thing um that i wanted

1030
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,400
to do is maybe take a possible

1031
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,920
um

1032
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,440
it's not a break but what i'd like to

1033
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,400
play is this uh audio

1034
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,280
oh sure it's an audio from somebody

1035
00:39:40,829 --> 00:39:39,760
called into the national ufo hotline and

1036
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,839
they had

1037
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,440
a a

1038
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:45,359
really close encounter so basically you

1039
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:47,280
can see it here

1040
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,800
in california it's near la 1986 to

1041
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:51,920
witness

1042
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,720
encourage encountered a disc over their

1043
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:56,240
vehicle that shines down a bright light

1044
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,520
illuminating the car and causing the

1045
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,280
vehicle to stop object give a humming

1046
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,440
sound and smell like burnt cinnamon

1047
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,440
uh witnesses suffered from short time

1048
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,000
loss so it's missing time and

1049
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,240
weeping blisters on their skin

1050
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,400
i want you to listen to this guy right

1051
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,349
and you tell me like if this guy's

1052
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,079
making this up or not like sure it it's

1053
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,160
pretty quite clear that the guy is

1054
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:22,000
honest in what he's saying so i'll just

1055
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,520
put this on the screen so everybody can

1056
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:25,920
listen i'll get our faces off here

1057
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,720
um and just do me a favor and and give

1058
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,800
it a shot so

1059
00:40:34,309 --> 00:40:32,000
here we go

1060
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,319
all right

1061
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,400
ufo reporting center

1062
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,400
calling from los angeles yes i got to

1063
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,760
make this fairly short because i'm going

1064
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:41,040
to

1065
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,880
um

1066
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,560
the faa

1067
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,960
and the air force gave me this number

1068
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:50,640
yes and i'd like to report something

1069
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,000
that happened to my girlfriend and i

1070
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,240
last night to paying a canyon okay would

1071
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:56,160
you describe it please

1072
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,599
and by the way

1073
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,359
we called the malibu

1074
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,040
police and they said that three other

1075
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,720
people had reported

1076
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:04,640
similar things it's just nothing that's

1077
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:08,480
more imagining okay um

1078
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:09,200
we

1079
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,599
number one pacific coast highway are you

1080
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,680
familiar with that area

1081
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:18,319
and we backtracked and went decided to

1082
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,079
go up to panga canyon road which is a uh

1083
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,680
it goes pretty high up into the canyon

1084
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,839
country

1085
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:27,599
do you know where japan canyon is yes

1086
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,960
okay very familiar with it all right

1087
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,280
there's a

1088
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,920
place where old topanga canyon goes to

1089
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,920
new topanga canyon is

1090
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,560
there's a real high ledge that goes deep

1091
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,880
deep down you can overlook the canyon

1092
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:43,839
okay

1093
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,670
it gets weirder as it goes on

1094
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,680
out of nowhere

1095
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,359
appeared over our

1096
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,319
car a uh brilliant

1097
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,200
brilliant brilliant light

1098
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:02,800
that was hovering about i'd say 50 feet

1099
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,829
and

1100
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,599
at first we thought it was a helicopter

1101
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:11,440
a police helicopter or something except

1102
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,119
that we realized that we didn't hear any

1103
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,640
sound

1104
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:16,640
and we looked up and we could see

1105
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,230
a pie shaped object a saucer i mean i

1106
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,079
hate to use that term

1107
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,160
saucer type object

1108
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:30,640
there was a rim we could see a rim and

1109
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,760
then within the rim was this just one

1110
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,480
big

1111
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,560
brilliant brilliant light that they kept

1112
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,480
shining on our car

1113
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:40,800
okay was this like a beam of light

1114
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,119
yes okay was that in the form of a beam

1115
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,630
um

1116
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:50,870
it was a

1117
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:53,920
wide cone okay

1118
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,800
a wide cone covered

1119
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,640
oh i'd say a good

1120
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,960
maybe 50 feet in diameter okay but it

1121
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,440
was very very bright

1122
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,000
and anyway we turned the car around and

1123
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920
we decided to go back down the canyon

1124
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,839
and this damn thing kept following us it

1125
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,079
kept

1126
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,760
at the speed we were going at the same

1127
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,160
speed we were going it was following us

1128
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,160
it was above our

1129
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,880
car about 50 feet

1130
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,400
and we kept looking up and it kept it

1131
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,319
was there and if we would go faster it

1132
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,160
would go faster if we would slow down it

1133
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,319
would slow down

1134
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,480
and we had the distinct impression that

1135
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,319
was pursuing us

1136
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,760
and the only

1137
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,160
noise that i could i felt that we could

1138
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,750
uh the sound that a transformer would

1139
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,440
make

1140
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,720
like a hum

1141
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,599
a high-pitched tongue okay

1142
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:48,560
then

1143
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,280
i

1144
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:51,839
here

1145
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:53,680
so i accelerated the car but you've got

1146
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:55,359
to be very careful to paying a canyon

1147
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:02,230
it's a very windy road

1148
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,280
and

1149
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,839
when i tried to accelerate the car

1150
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,319
my engine went out

1151
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:10,560
the lights went out everything went out

1152
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,920
okay and we got out of the car

1153
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,160
thinking that we were going to run away

1154
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,480
i'm telling you my girlfriend was almost

1155
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:20,480
to the state of hysteria

1156
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,359
in fact later on i we we went to

1157
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,119
sinai emergency room when i got home

1158
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:27,680
when we got to our home here

1159
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,230
when we got out of the car we got even a

1160
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:33,839
better look at it

1161
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,270
and

1162
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,760
within i'd say

1163
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,839
seconds

1164
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,400
it just went straight up in the air

1165
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:48,400
and as quickly as it appeared that's how

1166
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,760
quickly it

1167
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,839
okay

1168
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,480
and anyway we got back into the car

1169
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,760
and the car started

1170
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,319
and we got down to the coast highway

1171
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,480
we came home to los angeles and my

1172
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:05,440
girlfriend was very very badly shaken up

1173
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:08,800
she's a nurse i'm an accountant

1174
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,680
uh

1175
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,040
we went

1176
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,160
to cedars-sinai emergency room and uh we

1177
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,040
had broken up on in blisters

1178
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:19,119
on the backs of our hands

1179
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,640
my girlfriend where she was wearing a

1180
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,720
necklace you could see the mark where

1181
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,000
the necklace was

1182
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:27,040
i wear glasses you can see on my face

1183
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:27,839
glass

1184
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,800
and we have a

1185
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,160
very nauseous

1186
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,750
okay did that was that like a bad

1187
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:40,880
sunburn

1188
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:43,839
yes okay

1189
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,160
it's like a bad sunburn but it's weepy

1190
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,720
they're weeping blisters okay

1191
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,839
and i sure didn't have it

1192
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,359
we didn't have this when we went out

1193
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,040
that we

1194
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,280
but anyway we did call the malibu police

1195
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,760
when we got home

1196
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,560
and

1197
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,400
they said that three other people had

1198
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:04,319
called

1199
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,440
concerning

1200
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,359
similar incidents

1201
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,800
that evening

1202
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,880
to the same area in the same area

1203
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,800
canyon area

1204
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,640
there was an officer burns that i had

1205
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,109
and we're going to go back to the

1206
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,599
doctors today at 2 30 so i can't

1207
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,359
stay too long and i don't want to get

1208
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,920
terribly involved but

1209
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:28,319
even the doctor said i should i i could

1210
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,150
these far out situations sir but it was

1211
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,760
the most amazing thing i've ever seen in

1212
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:39,440
my life and really quite frightening

1213
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,800
okay that was your girlfriend at rn yes

1214
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,280
okay now what time did that occur it

1215
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,960
occurred i would say approximately 12 30

1216
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:51,359
in the evening that's this morning

1217
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,240
yes

1218
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,680
my girlfriend works at the wadsworth

1219
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,119
veterans hospital

1220
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,270
what was the name of that veteran's

1221
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,119
hospital the water federal club

1222
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,640
do you have any estimate of the diameter

1223
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:06,400
of the object it was about 50 feet in

1224
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,870
now do you remember the color of that

1225
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,790
um

1226
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,760
white

1227
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,920
okay

1228
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:22,079
white was

1229
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,160
but there was some blue and blue around

1230
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:29,109
okay now when you were exposed to that

1231
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,079
uh

1232
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:32,160
beam of light did you detect any change

1233
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,390
no but our skin tingled

1234
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,200
okay and it felt like there was a little

1235
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:43,520
i don't know electrical feeling in your

1236
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,480
skin okay

1237
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,480
and then for a brief moment to tell you

1238
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:49,839
the truth neither of us even could

1239
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:51,280
remember what happened it was almost as

1240
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:56,470
did you feel that that was a very short

1241
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:57,760
duration

1242
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,150
did you detect any unusual orders at the

1243
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:14,870
come to think of it yeah

1244
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,230
i would say

1245
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,670
like bert cinnamon okay

1246
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,599
did you have any trouble restarting your

1247
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,520
car

1248
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,760
um

1249
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,680
at that point i can't to tell you the

1250
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:31,760
truth i can't remember

1251
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:32,559
i

1252
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,880
okay

1253
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,319
now were there any other unusual

1254
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:48,960
physical traces with you or your lady

1255
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:57,589
and how long do you feel this entire

1256
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,829
i feel that it followed us for about 10

1257
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,920
minutes

1258
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:07,839
and then out of the car

1259
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,800
maybe a minute or so

1260
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,559
but it was when we were out of the cars

1261
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:14,880
when i kind of kind of lost track of

1262
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:21,270
do other people report things like this

1263
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:22,960
oh yes sir they sure have they've been

1264
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:25,760
reporting them for years

1265
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,040
now what was the name of the doctor

1266
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,800
you're going to

1267
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,720
well we went to the the cedar sunlight

1268
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,520
emergency room and i don't recall the

1269
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,599
doctor okay

1270
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,359
because of my job i really don't want to

1271
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:39,839
get uh i understand invisible because

1272
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:40,880
when you talk

1273
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,960
going to go see a psychiatrist

1274
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,920
just

1275
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,079
i mean i don't we

1276
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:49,760
we weren't hallucinating i didn't make

1277
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:55,670
okay could i get your name sir i don't

1278
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,280
want to give my name okay is there any

1279
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:59,040
way we can get back to you if we need

1280
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:00,720
more information

1281
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,440
need i'll i'll i'm going to go back to

1282
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:07,680
the doctors i can't call you back

1283
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,559
it's just

1284
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,440
my wife my girlfriend has a

1285
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,319
governmental job right

1286
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,240
you gotta understand

1287
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,160
such high strangeness that

1288
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,800
people tend if it gets out

1289
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,040
um they tend to look at you

1290
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,960
because if you're weird or something i

1291
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,960
understand

1292
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,040
okay what would you like to do after you

1293
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,280
visit your doctor or if you feel like it

1294
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:33,680
would like to hear what his diagnosis of

1295
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,910
and what do they do with all this data

1296
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,480
what do we do with it

1297
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,359
well we compare it with other similar

1298
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:48,800
cases

1299
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:51,440
over the past years which gives us a

1300
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,880
basis for

1301
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,200
determining the reality of what is going

1302
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,359
on

1303
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,880
is this something that the government is

1304
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,920
doing

1305
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:01,119
no

1306
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,599
this type of incident has occurred

1307
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,920
uh off and on throughout the united

1308
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:10,240
states and overseas for the last 40

1309
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,230
i've read about things like this but

1310
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:18,400
reading it is one thing but when you

1311
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,040
see it firsthand

1312
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,960
i i don't know how to explain it i just

1313
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,359
i don't know how to explain it

1314
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,839
it can be very traumatic

1315
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,319
and other other people do call you oh

1316
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,119
yes we get to ravage about six calls or

1317
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:34,720
six reports a day right now and that's

1318
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:37,520
very very quiet

1319
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:42,309
well

1320
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:49,680
of course three or four different

1321
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:53,200
theories my own personal opinion is that

1322
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,800
these are objects coming in from outer

1323
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,920
space

1324
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:57,440
and i've been studying the subject for

1325
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:08,870
jesus

1326
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,109
so that is when the

1327
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:14,319
audio

1328
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,549
so um

1329
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:22,960
pretty interesting case so again that

1330
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,079
was uh

1331
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,280
i forget already 1986 i think but

1332
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,839
um it's pretty interesting because the

1333
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,599
the other thing that i wanted to go to

1334
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:33,760
was this case

1335
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,760
that happened november 23rd 1968

1336
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,920
and uh jay allen heineck for those of

1337
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:42,880
you familiar was an advisor a consultant

1338
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,800
for project blue book

1339
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,559
during this time and he actually

1340
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,559
evaluated this one personally which he

1341
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,319
didn't do very often

1342
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,319
it was very

1343
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,079
few and far between that he actually did

1344
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,480
one-on-one interviews with witnesses

1345
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:58,240
that reported things

1346
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,920
um so i'm just going to go through a

1347
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,440
little bit of this because there's some

1348
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,119
similarities here that i think are

1349
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,480
important so we have witness encounters

1350
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,559
excuse me brilliant light directly above

1351
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,720
the road as he rounded a bend in a road

1352
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,960
in sparsely settled territory about 200

1353
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,079
feet ahead of him and 50 to 75 feet off

1354
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,040
the ground no object just light radio

1355
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,000
faded into static light itself emitted a

1356
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,319
beam downward that illuminated nearby

1357
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,599
trees

1358
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,680
light was retracted as if the beam or a

1359
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:29,760
ladder being five to six feet wide well

1360
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,480
defined main light fuzzy on edges so

1361
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,839
later reading the interview what he's

1362
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,440
saying is there was

1363
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,000
a huge object that if he'd put his hand

1364
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,160
up like this it would cover some of it

1365
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,240
but the size of it would be on each side

1366
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:46,480
that was one big really bright light and

1367
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,400
then there was a different

1368
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,400
light which was the beam that was coming

1369
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,319
from it towards the car and that's when

1370
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,160
the car stopped and all that stuff

1371
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,960
happened mainly with scintillating um a

1372
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,200
subtended arc of several degrees light

1373
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,280
disappeared in a few seconds go straight

1374
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,240
up

1375
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,559
um just like the account we heard engine

1376
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,160
started by itself

1377
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,480
car had been left

1378
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,720
in drive gear

1379
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,160
so

1380
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,000
like i said heinek interviews this guy

1381
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,400
personally and i grabbed a couple

1382
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:19,040
of um tidbits from this that i thought

1383
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,800
were um

1384
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,559
interesting

1385
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,720
so and these are tidbits from the

1386
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:26,400
interview so when it says h that's

1387
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,880
heinek so he says they're they're doing

1388
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,480
the interview in hindi at one point says

1389
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,960
to him yes this occurs your report is

1390
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,760
strange and unusual as it is is by no

1391
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,960
means

1392
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,799
it doesn't stand by itself there have

1393
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,119
been many other cases like it reported

1394
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,720
and i'm of course

1395
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:44,400
in my own work searching for patterns

1396
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,990
so right there he's telling the guy that

1397
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,599
it's not strange and they get these

1398
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,079
reports quite often

1399
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,960
so um this he talks a little bit about

1400
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,520
the beam jay is the person i'm not sure

1401
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,359
what his first name is but his last name

1402
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,760
is jones well at the time this beam

1403
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,359
seemed to reach down it touched my car

1404
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,960
the engine failed and this was noted

1405
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,640
first by the oil light indicator coming

1406
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:11,040
on inside the car or the generator light

1407
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,079
and i

1408
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,920
uh smashed the accelerator on the inside

1409
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,950
on the in the car did not respond at all

1410
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,960
and so i put on the brakes i found

1411
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,480
stopping and steering the car very

1412
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,160
difficult the car having power steering

1413
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,520
and brakes

1414
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,079
yes what model it is it's brand new

1415
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,359
1967 ford custom

1416
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,480
so

1417
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,760
it's a new car you wouldn't expect to

1418
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,400
have

1419
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,319
difficulties i'd imagine no sir never

1420
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,319
had any difficulties like that in my

1421
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,400
life so right there i'm just making a

1422
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,559
similarity with the car engine brand new

1423
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,799
car shouldn't happen

1424
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,400
um

1425
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,160
but the important things that i'm going

1426
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,240
to get to kind of are

1427
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,280
relate to the effect

1428
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,630
at one point this mr jones talked about

1429
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,160
what people think of them like hynek

1430
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:01,520
says right here you're raising this

1431
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,200
point about other people's opinions i'm

1432
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,440
always interested in how other people

1433
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:06,960
regard this has this bothered you

1434
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:10,079
affected your life any or do you find

1435
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:11,920
you talk about it much or not at all or

1436
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,720
how and this is what he's mr jones says

1437
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,480
well i've run into two groups of people

1438
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,240
one is people that well they think i'm

1439
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,400
completely nuts uh just a complete

1440
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,319
crackpot and i talk very little to these

1441
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:24,160
people when i find out

1442
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,839
this is their attitude i just sort of

1443
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,920
let her drop off and walk off drop and

1444
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,000
walk off then there's the other school

1445
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,760
of people that are very

1446
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,839
they're all very interested in this and

1447
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,440
they ask a lot of questions from an

1448
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,119
interesting and very courteous

1449
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,480
standpoint

1450
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,319
there are people that i thoroughly enjoy

1451
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:42,160
talking with because i've got a lot to

1452
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,839
learn about this stuff i don't know

1453
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,680
everything

1454
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,599
and then hynek says here which i think

1455
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,880
is very

1456
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,640
important well there's no one that does

1457
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,200
you see this is it

1458
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,640
it's such a

1459
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,359
the whole thing seems too incredible

1460
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,319
that it seems much easier you know for

1461
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,720
many people to not believe it

1462
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,280
and not to take it seriously because it

1463
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,520
means less work for them

1464
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:10,079
but the reports such as this now come in

1465
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,200
from many

1466
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:13,760
many countries over a period of years

1467
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,760
and it is at least for me

1468
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,839
impossible

1469
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,680
now

1470
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,960
impossible

1471
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,119
now any longer to doubt them

1472
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:25,040
let me ask a little bit about your own

1473
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,720
background how long have you lived in

1474
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,559
that community so they asked him about

1475
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,480
his background he's upstanding citizen

1476
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,240
all that kind of stuff

1477
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,109
a spot on point

1478
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:38,960
that heineken made it in this interview

1479
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:42,640
here um and i'm going to read that again

1480
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,200
uh this is it it's such uh the whole

1481
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,680
thing seems too incredible that it seems

1482
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,319
much easier you know for many people not

1483
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:52,000
to believe it and not to take it

1484
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,119
seriously

1485
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,359
because it means less work for them but

1486
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,359
the reports such as this now come in

1487
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,960
from many countries over a period of

1488
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,319
years and it is at least for me

1489
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:02,559
impossible now any longer

1490
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,390
yeah

1491
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:10,160
two more pages i'll run through quick

1492
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,200
keep those in here in your mind yep um

1493
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:15,040
any mr jones says that's why i don't

1494
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,640
like to talk to these people that are

1495
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,119
trying to pile on ridicule on me because

1496
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,520
i don't think i deserve this i didn't

1497
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,079
ask this light or object or whatever it

1498
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,839
is to come down

1499
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,240
and come near me

1500
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,160
heinek says well you know there are many

1501
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:32,079
who i've been told later when they

1502
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,000
finally get enough courage they will

1503
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,000
tell me that they didn't want to report

1504
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,760
to anybody for quite a while because

1505
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:40,079
they feared this ridicule

1506
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,920
people are very funny that way when

1507
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:43,760
people don't understand

1508
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:52,549
um i believe this is

1509
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,680
yeah this is the last page

1510
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,119
so then heinek

1511
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,000
asked mr jones who did you first tell

1512
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,839
and he says well i first drove the

1513
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,920
eleven and a half miles to newton and i

1514
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:05,280
stopped there and called the local

1515
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,640
sheriff and told him i had something to

1516
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:07,839
report

1517
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,640
it so he said just tell me about it so i

1518
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:13,839
did

1519
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,240
and the only expression he had was damn

1520
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:18,079
i'm glad it didn't happen i'm glad it

1521
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,760
happened to you and not me

1522
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,760
i'm sorry but i can't help you and he

1523
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,319
hung up the phone

1524
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,640
and then he said and so i saw that i

1525
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,160
wasn't going to get any help from this

1526
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:30,319
guy so then i drove to albany and went

1527
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:35,349
and this one

1528
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:39,440
struck me very very hard personally

1529
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,640
he said you drove to the sheriff's

1530
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,000
department there and the one feeling

1531
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,119
that i can recall was such a feeling of

1532
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:47,440
loneliness

1533
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,040
i wanted anybody

1534
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,880
i wanted to talk to somebody and tell

1535
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,480
them what i'd seen

1536
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,839
i mean this was something that you don't

1537
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,440
want to just keep to yourself you cannot

1538
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,319
keep it to yourself really i mean

1539
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:01,200
think if anybody did witness something

1540
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,200
like i did and not say anything to

1541
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,799
anybody

1542
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,720
uh within a very short while i feel then

1543
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:08,480
it would drive them more or less out of

1544
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,829
so

1545
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,200
yeah yeah

1546
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,119
that's powerful

1547
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:19,119
it's a great transcript i mean it's

1548
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,720
great because it points to so many

1549
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:21,760
important

1550
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,720
know the kind of minutia physical

1551
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,359
details of what happened but the

1552
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:31,839
you know the impact that it has right

1553
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,720
and right

1554
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:34,000
you know this is something that you and

1555
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,359
i talk about

1556
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,440
you know whether we're on air or not

1557
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,040
often which is that you know something

1558
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,599
can happen and again it'll be like

1559
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,599
maybe four minutes

1560
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,520
you know of your life or something like

1561
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:47,839
that and it can actually

1562
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,559
and

1563
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:50,319
the amount of impact it can have in

1564
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,559
terms of like the processing and trying

1565
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,720
to metabolize and integrate that into

1566
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,119
the rest of your life can take years for

1567
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:58,960
certain people you know given certain

1568
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,240
situations right yeah you know

1569
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,000
i still haven't really figured out how

1570
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,240
to exactly live with it my only the only

1571
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:08,000
medium i have that kind of makes me feel

1572
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:09,040
better is

1573
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,480
doing this show

1574
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,079
and

1575
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,720
talking to to friends like you about it

1576
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,119
not that to even get answers but to just

1577
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,000
talk about it because even like mr jones

1578
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,920
has just said you know

1579
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,760
if you don't talk to anybody about it it

1580
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,839
just bottles up inside you're going to

1581
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,559
drive yourself nuts you know

1582
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,000
um

1583
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,839
and you feel so

1584
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,799
alone

1585
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,119
in it in your everyday uh

1586
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:37,200
life you know you're talking to other

1587
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,680
people that don't know what it is don't

1588
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:41,200
know what it's like

1589
01:01:43,829 --> 01:01:42,079
you know

1590
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,839
and you can't even explain it without

1591
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:45,520
feeling like you're crazy while you're

1592
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:48,400
talking about it you know

1593
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,760
absolutely and from people like you know

1594
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:54,160
us other people you know there are other

1595
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:55,520
people in the chat

1596
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,319
um

1597
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,680
there are there are a lot of people that

1598
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,760
we know i mean our our whole you know

1599
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,920
kind of community

1600
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,760
the the general community the

1601
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,440
experiencer group community there's so

1602
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,680
many versions of you know overlapping

1603
01:02:10,309 --> 01:02:09,520
areas of of

1604
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:10,319
the

1605
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:15,520
community of experiencers um

1606
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,720
that that really feel that right i mean

1607
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:21,119
that that have that the issues of that

1608
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,559
processing and one of the things that

1609
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,480
i've experienced myself and i know other

1610
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,720
people have as well is just the amount

1611
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,440
of that where the loneliness

1612
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,520
can work against you because it can

1613
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,680
actually make you hide more you know

1614
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:34,640
what i mean

1615
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,319
where where this feeling solitary

1616
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,000
there's this point where it gets into

1617
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,160
this really shitty feedback loop

1618
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,640
sometimes where the loneliness makes you

1619
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,960
want to hide more or makes you want to

1620
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,200
kind of like you want to blend in with

1621
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,280
people more there's nothing you know i

1622
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,359
did it myself other people that i talk

1623
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,960
to you know in group work and things

1624
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:55,920
like that

1625
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:58,400
it comes up often where

1626
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:01,920
it reminds me you know of situations

1627
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:03,039
where

1628
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:04,480
you know people that i know that have

1629
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:07,359
been abused and things like that tend to

1630
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,280
kind of de-emphasize their looks

1631
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:11,680
sometimes you know they tend to try to

1632
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:14,960
kind of blend in in different ways and

1633
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,400
you know the amount of people that i

1634
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,160
know that have turned kind of way

1635
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,319
introvert that have gotten that have

1636
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:22,640
developed cases of agoraphobia you know

1637
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,680
where they don't really want to go

1638
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,319
outside all that much it it really

1639
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:29,280
there's a lot of that um and there's and

1640
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:31,039
sometimes it takes people years to kind

1641
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:32,000
of

1642
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,359
unravel

1643
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,359
how how

1644
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,280
the ontological shock

1645
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,079
and the the situation itself so i really

1646
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,640
feel what that guy was saying

1647
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,799
one of one of the hard parts for me at

1648
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,640
least

1649
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,589
that that set of encounters that i had

1650
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:57,440
in my experience

1651
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:58,480
was so

1652
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:01,760
intense and and weird and odd

1653
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,359
that normal life is so boring now

1654
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,839
like nothing can live up to it

1655
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:09,119
you know so

1656
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,760
at all these cases and and half of me is

1657
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:15,440
thinking maybe i'll figure something out

1658
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:18,319
or find some similarities the other half

1659
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:22,480
is just like this is as close to as

1660
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:25,760
out of this world as i can get to that

1661
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:28,160
those couple nights that i had you know

1662
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:29,200
yeah

1663
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,799
because

1664
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,559
so that's

1665
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,640
like kind of interesting as well i don't

1666
01:04:38,230 --> 01:04:36,480
know if other people ever feel that way

1667
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:38,240
too if you ever hear about that but

1668
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:39,359
that's

1669
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:42,319
something that i've definitely noticed

1670
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,920
yeah no absolutely absolutely you know

1671
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,359
and i

1672
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,920
along along those lines you know another

1673
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,839
point that came up that you emphasized

1674
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:54,960
is that the idea that it's less work

1675
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,319
for people to ignore this stuff right

1676
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,880
you know in terms of consensus reality

1677
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,400
pop culture at large and things like

1678
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:04,880
that right um

1679
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,119
i'm not talking about like rihanna or

1680
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,599
whatever or lizzo i'm talking about

1681
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:11,920
popular culture just you know as we go

1682
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:13,920
to the grocery store flip on the tv or

1683
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:16,240
whatever you know and there's a certain

1684
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,520
point where

1685
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:19,039
i don't know if you feel this way but

1686
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,039
you know when you procrastinate about

1687
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,119
something and you try to

1688
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:25,200
the more that you try to bury the part

1689
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,440
where you really have to do the laundry

1690
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:29,599
and you know you gotta you know if you

1691
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,680
don't if you don't fix the garbage's

1692
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,599
disposal like lord only knows what's

1693
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:35,200
gonna happen or whatever you know what i

1694
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,680
mean or whatever it is you know

1695
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,599
there are these things and they stack up

1696
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:41,440
right and then it gets to a point

1697
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:44,559
sometimes where it actually becomes more

1698
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,520
work

1699
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:46,880
to ignore

1700
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,880
the thing that you just have to do you

1701
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,559
know what i mean and you even ha

1702
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,920
sometimes it even has there's a

1703
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,520
situation where it's like you do it and

1704
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,599
you're like oh it only took the garbage

1705
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,480
disposal it only took it actually

1706
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:00,480
it only took like 10 minutes and i've

1707
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:03,280
been like spending like hours days of my

1708
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,559
life like dreading doing this seriously

1709
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,640
right and it keeps gnawing at you right

1710
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:09,599
like

1711
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:10,720
yeah

1712
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,039
and and so it's it's funny because it's

1713
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,359
like you know at what point

1714
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:17,680
you know with proof with these hearings

1715
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:19,760
you know with the amount that

1716
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,039
you know the the academic community is

1717
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,039
is starting to engage with these topics

1718
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,440
that now that venture capitalists you

1719
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,039
know out in silicon valley and stuff

1720
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,200
like that are starting to look at these

1721
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:33,119
these topics as well

1722
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,440
you know as this stuff is happening you

1723
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,200
know these days

1724
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,440
in consensus reality you know we're all

1725
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,520
in this kind of burning boat together

1726
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:44,640
right you know there is so much to

1727
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:45,440
to

1728
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,960
head you know inflation pandemic

1729
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:50,640
environment you know all this other

1730
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:51,440
stuff

1731
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,880
and then it's like at what point

1732
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,839
you know

1733
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,760
in that way of being like gosh it only

1734
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,200
took 10 minutes to fix the garbage

1735
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,760
disposal you know what i mean like at

1736
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:03,760
what point will people realize that it's

1737
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,000
actually less work

1738
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,319
to just be like okay the shit's real

1739
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:10,960
you know what i mean like okay fine you

1740
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,039
got me you know i can't stop the

1741
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,880
wildfires but i can just but you know

1742
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:16,880
what i mean like the pressure that could

1743
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,359
like collectively as a culture might

1744
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:21,599
rise off of people's shoulders

1745
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,039
if they were to just be like yeah

1746
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,480
actually the world is weirder than i

1747
01:07:28,230 --> 01:07:26,400
thought it was you know

1748
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:28,240
yeah it could help it could be a

1749
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,319
pressure valve you know what i mean yeah

1750
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:33,680
i i think you're right it could be and

1751
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,240
you know and some people may not have to

1752
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:38,160
deal with that decision right they don't

1753
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,200
see it

1754
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:41,359
like their loved one trying to talk to

1755
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,119
him about it or they don't see something

1756
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,520
themselves or they don't watch the news

1757
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:47,039
and see it being talked about or

1758
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,160
whatever

1759
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,400
but one day they will be confronted with

1760
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:53,119
something like like that you know and

1761
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:55,200
yeah and it will happen

1762
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,200
um and and how you deal with that can

1763
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:58,799
make all the difference like just

1764
01:08:01,349 --> 01:08:00,160
imagine

1765
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,359
um

1766
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,359
you know like this person mr jones how

1767
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,200
lonely that guy felt you know and he was

1768
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:07,359
hooked up by the sheriff's department

1769
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,559
you know

1770
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:10,559
just trying to tell somebody

1771
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,799
you know and that's like

1772
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:15,920
kind of a symbolism for what happens to

1773
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,239
a lot of experiences in everyday life

1774
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:21,120
it's not a sheriff and it's maybe not a

1775
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:24,159
hang-up but it's an ignorant deflect for

1776
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,520
sure you know

1777
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,120
like i've talked to people that i really

1778
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:29,520
love and admired my whole life and

1779
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,319
um

1780
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:32,880
you know i've mentioned it and

1781
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:35,839
i just get a complete change of subject

1782
01:08:38,789 --> 01:08:36,799
you know

1783
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,799
and that's that's tough that's really

1784
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,319
tough you know because it takes a lot

1785
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:42,400
first of all to even talk about it

1786
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,560
because you're like afraid and then you

1787
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:47,120
do and that's what you get you know

1788
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:48,640
it's true

1789
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,199
to i think what we heard in that phone

1790
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,679
call is that you know the guy

1791
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,759
he's

1792
01:09:03,910 --> 01:08:59,279
he wants

1793
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:03,920
all want validation

1794
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:07,040
right yeah and like and that's partially

1795
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,480
why we look

1796
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,960
to things like this senate language or

1797
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,199
whatever as if it's a football game to

1798
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:15,839
be won in a way because we want more of

1799
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,560
that

1800
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,159
validation right

1801
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,880
and and you know that's not

1802
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,759
in a way the congressional stuff we we

1803
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:25,440
we just have to keep remembering not to

1804
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,359
put all the eggs in the one basket right

1805
01:09:31,349 --> 01:09:29,279
because it's not the healthiest basket

1806
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,359
right

1807
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,759
yeah it's like don't keep eating pizza i

1808
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:35,279
mean it tastes good and it makes you

1809
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,359
feel better but in the end you're gonna

1810
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,520
have clogged arteries right

1811
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,359
right i mean we keep following the story

1812
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,799
but we have to remember you know there's

1813
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:44,560
the academic there's the eggs in the

1814
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:46,239
academic basket there's the venture

1815
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,440
capitalist baskets there's the

1816
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,759
experiential you know the mental health

1817
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,080
basket of like how do we process this as

1818
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,839
a community at the grassroots levels

1819
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:55,360
there's there's a lot of eggs in a lot

1820
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,960
of different baskets that we can work

1821
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,960
with right but what that guy was trying

1822
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,000
to do is so common and so understandable

1823
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,239
which is that he was trying to have it

1824
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,719
validated by an authority figure

1825
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:08,239
and it's important for us to remember

1826
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:09,280
that like

1827
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,400
you know it's not always going to work

1828
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,320
even though we're kind of moving ahead

1829
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,640
with these topics it's important to

1830
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,960
remember that we can get

1831
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:21,360
that it's it's easy to get triggered by

1832
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,600
these authority figures

1833
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,520
and who you

1834
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,199
and it's important to

1835
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:29,360
kind of mitigate that by thinking to

1836
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,159
yourself maybe before self-reporting or

1837
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,080
something like that is be like

1838
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,400
you know who is this

1839
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:38,560
you know why do i think of this person

1840
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,199
as an authority figure or do i need the

1841
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,920
validation from this person or you know

1842
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:46,560
kind of like unwinding that a little bit

1843
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,920
because you know like no person

1844
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:51,920
should

1845
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:56,719
goalie

1846
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,440
and the ultimate arbiter and judge of

1847
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:02,480
like your reality right right like

1848
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,920
nobody else

1849
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,760
yeah right nobody should be able to do

1850
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,840
that and it's also i mean if you look at

1851
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,440
it the other way it's an enormous

1852
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:11,440
responsibility to put on somebody else

1853
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,400
as well

1854
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,159
right yeah

1855
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,640
so it kind of you know in both ways it's

1856
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:19,360
it's a more humane thing to do to not to

1857
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:20,400
to

1858
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,520
even approach a conversation like that

1859
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,159
because if you say if if you were to go

1860
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,239
to your mother or your father or your

1861
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,440
wife or

1862
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,440
you know or the chief of police or

1863
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,440
whatever and you're to kind of say like

1864
01:11:40,950 --> 01:11:37,920
okay this is going to be it like

1865
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,960
this is going to be

1866
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:42,960
if it doesn't go well you know like

1867
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,199
they're not emotionally set up for that

1868
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,280
yeah great and then does that mean that

1869
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,960
you don't get to have

1870
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:50,800
you know a normal really you know like

1871
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,920
how then at that point is there a schism

1872
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,239
right now even though like you what

1873
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,320
you're doing really is is trying to

1874
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,800
fight for believing in your own story

1875
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:02,239
right

1876
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:04,719
you're trying to talk to that person

1877
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,800
to to get the reaction you need so you

1878
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:08,800
can believe yourself

1879
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,719
yeah you know when when you

1880
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:12,880
you know you suck with your own eyes you

1881
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:16,080
know or whatever like it happened

1882
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:17,840
yeah whether this person believes you or

1883
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:20,560
not or whether uap language gets passed

1884
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,159
in the senate and something happens with

1885
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,719
it or not doesn't change the fact that

1886
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:27,040
you had an experience

1887
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,560
that's right you know and and that's

1888
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,159
something very important to remember and

1889
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:34,560
i need to remember that myself sometimes

1890
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,520
you know

1891
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:37,760
and i mean and as a community we can get

1892
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:39,040
together and we can look at this

1893
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,520
situation and be and at the very least

1894
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:43,280
you know we can recognize that there is

1895
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,400
a community

1896
01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:46,159
that there are different overlapping

1897
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,640
communities building around these topics

1898
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,640
and that it's becoming

1899
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,640
it's it's breaching water you know it's

1900
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,440
breaching water on on more like a daily

1901
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,360
basis now it's getting to the point

1902
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,199
where it's actually kind of overwhelming

1903
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:01,199
some days to keep up with the news with

1904
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,520
regard to these topics because they can

1905
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,679
happen so it happens so fast and so

1906
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,760
frequently now like we dealt with right

1907
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,280
before we went on with the show today

1908
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,280
right with his new aero office and we

1909
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,280
had to like integrate and metabolize

1910
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:15,120
that news as we were getting on air

1911
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,719
which was you know

1912
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,880
i feel like i was like you know i think

1913
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:20,640
we both showed our frustration and just

1914
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,480
being like oh my god it's like we're

1915
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,159
going in a circle

1916
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:25,679
you know what i mean

1917
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,480
and yeah and and like um

1918
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:30,560
but you know we process it together as a

1919
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:32,080
community and at the very least we can

1920
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:33,440
be thankful

1921
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:36,159
that we're living at a time

1922
01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,159
where the stuff is actually coming to

1923
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:40,400
light again you know yeah

1924
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,760
and it is

1925
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:42,560
it

1926
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,040
each other and that there are whole

1927
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,520
generations of people that you know

1928
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,360
didn't have the luxury of being able to

1929
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,920
do what we do which is basically

1930
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:55,040
you know

1931
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:57,120
talk to each other

1932
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:01,040
by satellite broadcast you know

1933
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,120
i couldn't imagine not being able to

1934
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,080
like in not meeting you or or you know

1935
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,960
other people like my my side

1936
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,440
uh host vinnie you know that you're so

1937
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,199
jealous

1938
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,960
you know

1939
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,040
but like i couldn't imagine not meeting

1940
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:18,880
you folks and being able to talk to you

1941
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:21,760
or even just having a twitter to you

1942
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,760
know relate to somebody about it and

1943
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,080
just having like the life that i have

1944
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,400
without any of that

1945
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,080
you know and going through something

1946
01:14:33,430 --> 01:14:32,159
like that which so many people did for

1947
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,440
so long

1948
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,280
you know they had to wait a month for a

1949
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,000
magazine to show up you know to read

1950
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,320
something that might be relatable or

1951
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:42,960
maybe not you know because another hard

1952
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:44,960
part of this is reading accounts that

1953
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,640
are just so

1954
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:48,480
different

1955
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from yours that and people who just flat

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out lie about stuff you know that's

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right that just like or put up fake

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videos you know or or whatever that just

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like constantly fight against the

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authenticity of what's happened to you

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you know and other people

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that's right

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and a lot of those yeah and a lot of

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those publications like you're just

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talking about waiting around once a

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month for a magazine a lot of those

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magazines

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you know there's a guy isaac coy who

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i've pointed out before he does an

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amazing job of securing rights

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from families and organizations to scan

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01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,199
and and put up online a lot of old

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01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,320
ufological and paranormal periodicals

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some of which were basically just you

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01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,719
know like zines essentially put out by

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01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:38,560
some guy or some lady you know in the

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50s or 60s or whatever and um and

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there's just so many of them but the

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thing is is that when you look at at

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these records of some of these

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periodicals some of them were just like

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01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,760
a flash in the pan or they would

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disappear and there's like lives like

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01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,520
why did it stop nobody you know what i

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mean right

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but and so totally just you just imagine

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that that's your one tether and then one

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day like the magazine stopped showing up

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and it's like

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you know do you ever find out why you

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01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:06,719
know imagine the amount of

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you know

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even within this community in decades

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01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:12,960
past there were so many loose ends that

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couldn't get tied up for so many

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different reasons

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and you know and

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you know there will still be more

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01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,400
questions than answers as we move

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forward and we have to kind of live and

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01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:25,840
be comfortable within that space but

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01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,920
it's always important but it's all but

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it's also nice to be able to have the

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01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,000
togetherness that we do right because we

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01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,880
can kind of like close the loop on on

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each each day and each week

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with each other and um and continue the

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01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:41,760
conversation the next time

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yeah we can't let this uh what's

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01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,400
happening now in congress and the senate

2011
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:48,800
you know we can't let it condon report

2012
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:50,719
us you know think about all the

2013
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:51,840
uh

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real deal experiencers that have

2015
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:55,760
you know

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maybe

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saw that happening at that time and were

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01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,560
really excited that they were gonna

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01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,960
about to be validated to whoever they

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told whether it's their mom dad or her

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01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,360
loved one or whatever then that happens

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01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,040
and comes out in this public you know

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how deflating would that be

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that could happen now

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01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,880
you know absolutely they could go to

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01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,719
town saying they're studying this for a

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01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,640
year or whatever and come up and say

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well turns out it was all ear clutter

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01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:22,960
and there are no programs

2030
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there are no secret programs you know

2031
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,719
just because they're doing this doesn't

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mean they're going to find them

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you know or or tell you that they did or

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01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,120
whatever you know so

2035
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:35,280
it's it's got to be a little bit guarded

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01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,800
with that too right because in the end

2037
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,320
like you just said earlier you don't

2038
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,960
need that authority to validate

2039
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:42,239
you know

2040
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:44,400
what you think and feel and and know to

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01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:45,840
be true right

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01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:51,590
anything else before we get out of here

2043
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,880
i love you man

2044
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:56,709
it's wonderful to see everybody in the

2045
01:18:01,030 --> 01:18:00,080
chat um this is a great this is a great

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uh

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01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,640
today and it just it just flowed man

2048
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:10,560
like it does every single time it's

2049
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:11,440
great

2050
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:12,560
because we

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01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,760
are in love friends wise

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that's right

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and uh you know i think we we just

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01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,560
bounce off each other really well

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01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:23,760
so

2056
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,159
good good chemistry as they say that's

2057
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,719
right and by the way i was on disclosure

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01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,120
team's channel yesterday

2059
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:34,000
don't be jelly you know he asked me to

2060
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,199
be on i love you both but my heart was

2061
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:39,440
always with you and

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01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:42,159
wednesdays all right so no i get it i

2063
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:44,320
made a couple jokes yesterday in the

2064
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,199
chat and on twitter but we all know that

2065
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,679
it was we all know that

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01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,440
okay i love

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01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:53,920
i love i love vinnie i love you you know

2068
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:00,950
oh man this is getting weird i mean yeah

2069
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:03,840
yeah you know you're more like

2070
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:06,320
he's maybe more like a toe or something

2071
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,600
like you know i wouldn't want to lose

2072
01:19:11,140 --> 01:19:09,360
any of them all right well at least he's

2073
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:11,150
a doe i hate feet

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01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,320
[Laughter]

2075
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:16,960
all right brother yeah i love you dude

2076
01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:18,159
all right thanks to everybody in the

2077
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,000
chat thanks to everybody that's gonna

2078
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:22,719
watch this in the future uh uh thanks

2079
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,040
for listening and and enjoying the time

2080
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:26,880
with us it means a lot to us

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01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,120
uh i love everybody have a good evening

2082
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:31,040
and i'll see you real soon all right see

2083
01:19:34,350 --> 01:19:32,480
you soon peace

2084
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:34,360
peace

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01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:07,350
do

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[Music]

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do